Full meeting transcript - February 10, 2026

» Did you knock a hole in it? No, I did not. Sorry, a little bit strong in 2026. Excuse me. Julie Burns is back here for a moment. I have a story to tell you next time about that. Let's be called to order. Thank you so much for being here tonight. This is our Kershaw County Council meeting for February 10, 2026. We are convened, and getting on the agenda, we'll have an invocation and pledge of allegiance that will be led by Councilman Derek Shoemake. Will you please stand? Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, please watch over us as we do the business of the people of Kershaw County and guide our hearts and minds so that we can do what is right and what honors your name.

» Lord, please watch over us as we get into our budget season and all these other big decisions that we have to make for the county. Lord, please watch over Councilman Jones as he enters his 75th year with us. In your name we pray. Amen. Amen. Very kind. Thank you. You want to stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance? Oh, yeah. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Councilman Shoemake. That brings us up to adoption of the agenda. Are there any motions on the agenda? I make a motion that we accept the agenda as submitted by our clerk to council. I'd like to make a motion to amend. Okay.

» Let's get a second on the motion to accept, and then we'll do a motion to amend. I'll second. We got a second? All right, motion to amend. Motion to amend. What's your motion? I'd like to add a proclamation, please. Okay, what's the proclamation? It's just a small event that we're having here today. Is there a second? Second. All right, any discussion? Seeing none on the agenda, all in favor, raise your hand. That's on the amendment for a small quote-unquote event. What is it for? And then we have to vote as amended. And then we have to vote on the agenda as amended. Seeing no further discussion, all in favor of the agenda as amended, raise your hand in favor. - And we don't know what it's for. - It's unanimous, Ms. Hanna. The agenda is amended. - Well, I mean. - That will be 5B.

» - Try to get along with y'all a little bit. - That will be 5B. - That's the best thing. I hope it lasts 30 years. - This brings us up to item number 5A. This is proclamation regarding National Black History Month placed on by Councilman Sammy Tucker, Jr. Is there a motion? - I make a motion that we approve the Black History Proclamation, Mr. Chair. - Is there a second? - Second. - Mr. Tucker. - Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to read, if I can. My eye's about half bad, but we'll go. Black History Month proclamation for Kershaw County, South Carolina.

» Whereas the Black History Month is a time to honor the significant contributions and achievements of African Americans throughout history, recognizing their resilience, excellence, and influence in shaping our nation's past, present, and future. Whereas our origins of Black History Month date back to 1926 when Dr. Carter G. Woodson established Negro History Week, which has since evolved into the month long celebration observed every February across the United States and the country. Whereas the African-Americans community has played a vital role in the history of Kershaw County, South Carolina, contributing to the professions of education, business, culture, government, and civil rights, while enriching the fabric of our community.

» And whereas this year's national theme for Black History Month, African-Americans and the labor, e.g., Black Resilience Celebrating Black Invocation Innovations calls on us to reflect on the ongoing struggle for the justice and quality and to celebrate the triumphs and resilience of African Americans throughout history. And whereas Kershaw County acknowledges the significance of proclaiming equality, inclusion, and understanding among all citizens, continue to strive toward a community where all people are valued and celebrated. whereas it is imperative to educate current and future generations about the accomplishments and contributions of African Americans to honor their central role in the achievement of our society.

» Now, therefore Kershaw County council do hereby proclaim February 26 as black history month in Kershaw County, South Carolina. We encourage all citizens to join this observance by participating in local events local events educational activities and community programs that honor and celebrate african-american heritage culture and achievements mr chair thank you mr tucker any further discussion or comments yes i have a comment mr jones thank you members of county council uh every year we do this and i always vote in honor of my brother george gibson and evelyn gibson evelyn's been fighting some health issues lately but she's she's she's winning she's moving forward but uh and robert and cynthia sumter who are two very close friends of mine so i do this in their honor thank you thank you mr j

» ones any other comments or discussion do not thank you for for having this on the agenda yes sir thank you mr brazel any other comments or discussion seeing none we'll move to a vote on the proclamation do you have anybody needs to be recognized at all tonight mr tucker i don't see anybody from any of the organizations but i will get it to the appropriate folks all right let's move it to a vote all in favor raise your hand miss hannah for the record it's unanimous and passes thank you very much mr tucker that takes care of item 5a now for the cryptic item number 5b mr razzle is there is there a motion i'd like to make a motion um for a proclamation honoring councilman jimmy jones on his 75th birthday great we have a second we got a second mr razzle you have the floor yes sir we have a procl

» amation honoring councilman jimmy jones on his 75th birthday whereas jimmy jones was born february 10 1951 and has spent the past 75 years as a beacon of wisdom and strength sharing his knowledge in the community and on the kershaw county council and jimmy jones achievement remarkable has achieved remarkable milestones in his life in his military career law enforcement and in government all while raising a family and whereas reaching the age of 75 is a testament to a life well lived and an inspiration to all that know him now therefore kershaw county council do here pro hereby proclaim today february 10 2026 to be jimmy jones day and call upon family and friends to celebrate what is known to be a diamond jubilee celebration with great joy and gratitude all for this proclamation to my friend

» thank you mr brazel any comments i really wasn't i was going to vote against this because i didn't know please he sits here and says well you voted for it i said well i'm trying to get along with y'all for 30 days i mean i got 11 more months and gentlemen i never expected darryl i don't think you either would ever expect that i'd get a proclamation from the county council but i think this speaks volume of i don't agree with y'all on a lot of things a lot of things but bottom line is i respect y'all and all of you doing what even though you're wrong you're doing what you think is right and and and i'll be honest with you you know i i i admire that i really do so from the bottom of my heart and this wasn't necessary and i certainly didn't see this coming but thank you so much to each and ever

» y one of you yes sir thank you mr we couldn't let a 75th birthday go go past during a council meeting unnoticed thank you russell thank you whoever wants to sing happy birthday is welcome to come up to the mic daryl would you like to lead us i can i can sing but i'm not going to do it and i'm certainly not going to minister the birthday smakings i think we should pull a jimmy jones and vote against it he's torn he doesn't want to vote in favor any other comments or uh discussion congrats jimmy thank you so much jared thank you sam happy birthday all in favor of the proclamation raise your hand of course it's unanimous miss hannah can we get a quick picture just for jimmy's birthday since we're since we're here it won't take me just to have a second you guys mind let's do is come on jimmy co

» me on this is not going to change my votes on anyway we don't want you to vote for anything you got to get the middle man right in the middle okay we're good sorry great lord thank you thank you for indulging us mr jones and being here with us tonight all right that moves us to public comments mr dubose do we have anyone signed up yes mr chair there's One speaker signed up, Jacob Hodges, Boy Scout. Mr. Hodges, are you with us? Come on down, sir. Come on up front, Mr. Hodges, if you'd please speak into the microphone. You've got five minutes. It's not a time for question and answer with counsel. It's a time for counsel to hear from the public. Thank you, sir. Good evening, council members. I am Jacob Hodges. I'm a star scout in Troop 316 in Lugo, and I needed to come here today.

» I needed to attend a county council meeting for my citizenship in the community merit badge. thank you thank you congratulations you just got put on a committee we're just not sure which one yet yep lots of openings the troop 316 is thriving it's doing well and it's nice to see young men like this and coming up and speaking to us introducing himself and you got a bright future a young man jagger you got a bright future thanks for coming tonight do you have your uh scoutmaster or parents with you thanks for coming tonight he's a big fellow - Well, too, I can tell you that now. - Congratulations. - Thank you. - Yes. - All right, back on the agenda. That takes us to public hearings. This is item number 7A.

» This is a ordinance as a precursor to third reading to amend chapter 24 regarding boat landings. Do we have anybody signed up? - No, Mr. Chair. - No one signed up. I'll go ahead and open up the public hearing. Anyone present wishing to speak on item number 7A regarding boat landings, feel free to do so now. Do we have anyone present who wants to speak? Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing on 7A. That moves us to item number 7B on the agenda. Mr. DuBose, do we have anyone signed up for 7B? - No, sir. - This is regarding an ordinance to prohibit the sale and distribution of various items, including nitrous oxide and kratom, and regulations related thereto for retail display and labeling requirements. I'll go ahead and open up the public hearing.

» Anyone present wishing to speak on item number 7B, you can do so now. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. Now we have a series of public presentations. Thank you very much, Rick Jay, for being here tonight. This one's placed on by Vice Chairman Russell Brazel related to the Recreation Advisory Commission. Do we have a motion? - I'll make a motion to hear from Rick Jay from the Recreation Advisory Commission. - Do we have a second? - Second. - Yield. - We got a second? - Jones. - Seeing no discussion. All in favor of getting the report, raise your hand. It's unanimous. Mr. Jay, please. - Good evening, Councilman. I believe y'all all know me, But I'm Rick J.

» from Lugolf, South Carolina, and have had the privilege of serving on the Advisory Commission for the Park and Recreation for the past three years. Entering my second term, it's been a very good time. I've enjoyed it. You guys have all put together a great board over there. Everybody brings something individual to it. You know, we have everything from accountants to construction supervisors. We have Ms. Larimore, who works with ADA of all time, so she was able to bring that to the table when we were building these new parks. So everybody contributes on different levels, and it's all working out great. I want to thank you all for the investment that you all put into the Parks and Recreation.

» It's really going to make a difference to the community, along with the Health Services District, MUSC. I think this will go a long way in the community, making everybody healthier and happier. Just having a beautiful place to be proud of, be outside, and just enjoy it uh sure y'all want me to jump ahead to where we stand on these projects well at kc west we're about 98 complete we got some grass that needs to be done a couple of things need to be done to the sidewalk for some ada stuff that i personally don't understand as well so i don't really want to get into that um hoping to have it turned back over to us the county within the next week or two having the final walk through on the sit on the 12th so everything's good then and it'll be ours again uh copeland park 100 complete just you k

» now right now grass ain't growing past few weeks really hindered the coverage of that that's the only thing we're waiting on there is grass coverage but other than that all construction is done uh boyd young park we're right at 99 complete have another walk through on the 16th hoping to get the 100 right off on that again waiting on grass you know we laid all this side it's dormant so once once we get back to one of these uh spring times hopefully here in the next week or two that'll start taking root start to green up and everything be lush and pretty woodward part we're about 80 to 85 a little bit further behind than what we anticipated or wanted but again weather hit at a crucial time having a hard time getting our compaction test where we can go to lay an asphalt stuff like that because

» all the rain supposed to retest i believe at the beginning of next week and hopefully we'll be able to jump move forward with that have opening ceremony not sure that the fields are going to be ready for opening day to play on because of the saw last thing we want to do is put them out there the seams that filled in a kid roll an ankle somebody get hurt it we waited as long as it's not worth it to risk it when we're that close to it being 100 that is our four big things that we have going on i wanted to share with y'all some participation numbers and how everything is growing in youth basketball from the 2024 to 2025 season to the present season 25 26 we had 46 additional participants sign up we were able to believe the field i believe two teams out of the north central area which we haven'

» t been able to do in years they were all having to come to camden and now they had enough participation out there to so to field teams so they could practice out there and not have to travel as much but the baseball we're at 41 players from this time last year softball we gained six football we gained six and then fall baseball we gained 38 additional players not going to take long before those numbers i mean for our biggest sport which is baseball we have 741 kids playing this year a lot that's a lot of kids and we're want to thank you again for being able to provide them facilities to play on that are worthy worthy of this great county anybody got any questions for me before i thank you rick mr brasil you had the motion well i'd like to say thank you rick thank you for providing us uh com

» mon sense feedback and clarity is where we stand we we knew that we weren't where we wanted to be with uh woodward but um such as construction and such as life hopefully we can be real close by hopefully the first april um maybe we'll get a little good weather and if i can be of any assistance with anything helping coordinate just let me know it sounds like everything else is just about done i guess the biggest question i would have for you is is there anything else that you need from us well that's one thing i did want to mention during the snowstorms and ice we had a substantial amount of vandalism people doing donuts just tearing up the boat ramp uh larry dobey got hit really hard in the parking areas um casey west got hit hard kids on four wheelers people and pick up trucks just you kno

» w out having a good time but at our expense i'm thinking i rode down and looked at the boat ramp saw where the damage was a little bit more fencing around there and we could we could keep people out of the areas where they're trying to tear up around a little retention pause just you know the nice grass median just i don't i don't think it would cost that much and we'd be glad to do a budget study and try to put something together for y'all but we we spent a lot of money on these things and i'd love to see them be kept up and not just a a playground for people at night you know maybe talk to the sheriff's department about increased patrols in those areas and maybe even be able to shut down access to them during those times rick um i think probably one thing that i fought for is making sure

» that we've got access to the boat around 24 7 for hunters and people that like to go out you know night fishing and that sort of thing um you're talking a wooden fence you're talking a chain link what are we thinking i mean i think a wooden fence would fit if we're talking the boat ramp everything else around there is a wooden fence i think chain link can kind of stand out like a sore thumb right and And we're not trying to keep kids and critters out of it. We're trying to keep vehicles. Right. So, you know, a split rail fence would be great. I think I know where some two-by-sixes are at. I figure we might be able to round up a couple. We can work on a donation to the county for the two-by-sixes. Yes, sir. At KC West, just maybe putting up gates to block those entrances.

» It'll be hard to keep four-wheelers out. It's going to be hard to keep motorcycles out. But maybe we can slow down some pickup trucks. not saying close it all the time because we want people to be able to utilize those walking tracks everybody get out but just in events like that you know where where we know nobody's going out for a stroll they're going out there to cause mission well we definitely want to highlight the fact that some increased uh patrols would be helpful and i know lee's probably watching so sheriff sheriff bone will be mindful of that and help us in that as well so anyone else yes mr chairman thank you mr bradley um mr jones well yeah rick thank you for being here and uh hope your dad is doing well he is thank you for asking happy birthday he works out all the time but an

» yway um i i just uh i'm appreciative of what y'all have done and the thing about it is is that is there any dollar amounts i mean where we at when it comes to where we started with our budget where we in web budget we're just about 98 how much more money are we talking about on each one of those projects i just you know would like to kind of just have some kind of update on that and i don't know if danny may be preparing to do that in his ministry briefing i don't know but we haven't heard anything but did we have 13 how much was it well i know that the finance committee briefed this councilman jones and i'm guessing that brief is still good but i think about two months ago we briefed that we were on budget with all the projects i heard that and we and i we have not been given any informati

» on of the contrary does anybody know what we spent so far whatever the arpa funded we had that numbers i don't have it off the top of my head but those were produced 12 or 13 million was the cap um and um we'll be happy mr jones as they wind these projects up to get the final numbers from our staff and bring back to council we do have a bit of problem with that okay our initial budget that we worked off of was 12 million okay we whittled down several things to get it under that budget but where we stand right now as of what how much we spent was left i don't i didn't i do not have that information councilman jones once once all the contracts are complete and once everything's turned over officially to the county we should get a report from our engineering firm that we paid to do this i woul

» d suspect our administrator could request that report from alliance and that they could um brief us on where we started and where we finished rick you've done a great job this has nothing to do with you but guys we do need to see a financial report i would think right well we had and to be fair we can see a final one but i want to make it clear we had a down to like the penny report two months ago so i mean it would just be an updated one i think our administrator may want to speak so we're running under budget but what i'm doing right now is protecting contingency for the things we have needs for right now how much are we running under budget i guess i'm just looking for a number maybe yeah i don't have enough okay but it's it's under comfortably under but just one hiccup again we never ex

» pected to hit bedrock at 15 feet in woodward park when we went to go drill uh irrigation wells so a lot of things have snuck up on us so it just makes me very gun shy to expend any kind of money out of our contingency beyond the current scope of what we need to do to get across the finish line rick you've done a great job thank you sir thank you thank you any other comments or questions quick questions yeah thank you thank you for everything i know y'all have had a huge undertaking and have done a phenomenal job being able to get all the parks around the county uh ready to go and i know that children's and families are very excited about being having the opportunity to get out there um just for for me and my constituents i get a lot of questions about woolward um specifically and just so i

» can go and relay back when when the opening date is can we what what all what exactly is left um with the with the 20 15 asphalt concrete all right so asphalt and concrete um how many square feet that that i do not know quite a bit of asphalt the parking lot is big what's that it's a big parking lot yeah it's a big parking lot the poor asphalt you got to be at 50 degrees and rising from what yeah so we're looking at 70 75 who represents mr cato's district it's got to be above 50 degrees he is a construction mastermind and he has verified everything that that we're being told so we knew we wasn't getting our leg pulled by anybody so oh yeah you still lay asphalt my uncle when i work construction over the summer so this it's a tedious thing 40 degrees and rising before you can pour it but asp

» halt needs to be 50 yep 50 degrees above and you really want it to be a little bit above we were ready to do that we get ice storms the polar vortex cyclone bomb whatever they call it so so an estimated opening time so we what we can say is this spring softball and baseball is out for wilbur park no no no no sir i'm not saying that the entire season is out opening he said we may miss opening day but we plan on playing ball on those fields yeah i mean practice starts in march yes right we're hoping by the beginning of april so so what we're hoping i mean that's pretty much first day of of games for softball and baseball our first second week will be larry doby and wilbur park have an opportunity for kids to be out there or should we i mean because we We had the whole time it was supposed to

» be beginning of January, right? That's what I've been getting told for two years, that it was going to be open by the beginning of January, which I'm not – this isn't your fault at all. Up until a few weeks ago? Should we push – should we give that hard timeline? Because I'm going to go back and I'm going to tell my constituents that boys and girls are going to be playing softball and baseball at Wilbur Park starting this spring season. Not starting the spring season. At some point. At no point do I say we make opening day. Right. During the season. During the season. During this season, I believe we will be able to move games over to that part. But most definitely during the fall? Oh, yes, yes. Most definitely during the fall. Okay. Most definitely during the fall.

» I mean, I don't see how we can slow it down enough. Brent, I'll tell you what. If you want to, you and I can go out there and throw a ball tonight when we get through with the meeting. I mean, there's a lot of – I get calls about it all the time. My commission members have been raising cane about it.

» Before our January meeting, we got an update that we were on schedule, then two days later we got an update from alliance that we were two months behind and how we lose two months and two days uh that math don't matter and that also affects the cost once we start talking about money i remember sitting here a year ago in the same conversation saying there was no way that it was going to open in january and everybody said no that's that's the opening dates i just wanted to now that we can have this on a public meeting where my constituents know kind of what what they have going on but no i appreciate everything you've done and i was not trying to be be harsh on you at all it's just real questions but you've been a lifesaver and probably everybody on the commission probably don't want to be re

» al harsh on rick that's he he's a good old good old lugov boy i've kind of known him for a long time way too old for that yes you can't take any top any touch redneck anywhere you know mr cato you have anything uh real quick just thank you all for what you do i i know jason has really kept me in the loop a lot with what's going on and he you're right he is a mastermind he is i know he's a great asset absolutely but i appreciate everything that y'all have done i know you're staying on top of it and that means a lot so thank you i appreciate it thank you rick just in closing i'll mention one of the things we'll probably have to have as a report next year is on how do we address the need and demand for indoor basketball courts i hear that a lot from the recreation staff we'll try to work with

» you on that i'm excited about the work that y'all do because it's keeping kids out of trouble it's part of the health services district's plan to have activity as health and so sports as health is lines up with their mission and i can't give enough credit to musc and the health district thank you daryl for being here tonight and tj thank you for being here and y'all serving as well to help the community in that way and personally i view this as economic development it makes our area attractive for folks to come in so keep bringing good ideas keep bringing this this stuff. We're going to fund what we can to make the area attractive and have all these other benefits we talked about. Any other comments or discussion? Mr. Tucker? Yes, sir.

» Rick, make sure you tell the rest of the commissioners thank you. Thank you tonight. I want to thank staff, too, for just working very diligently with you guys and the contractors. But at no time do you or any other of the commissioners let us, as elected officials, push this date quicker than it needs to be, because what we don't need to do is open it up haphazardly or we have to shut it back down so like you said if they've waited this long a little bit more weight um they'll be okay we handled an entire baseball season without that facility last year so we shane and his guys have done a great job over there of having a backup plan in case we couldn't use it and as soon as it's safe for us to get on that field believe me we want to use it just as bad as anybody else in this county thank y

» ou mr chairman brief mr shumake again thank thank you guys as well i i just kind of want to point out that this is a really great example of how a project like this can come together you know when this all started i mean it really started when you know before ben even went to the state house but when we sort of actually got the votes to move forward it was fairly contentious as you guys know i mean darryl uh got to watch me sit through a very very long meeting in my neck of the woods that was not exactly pleasant and one of the big chief complaints we heard is we haven't done a great job of finishing projects that we begin and I think it's really important to note that all the people up here who supported this were dogged about the idea that this is going to be a finished project and thanks

» to the health services district thanks to the rec commission and everyone up here we did that and honestly I'd like to thank the people up here who didn't vote for it I mean councilman Jones while he didn't vote for it as soon as it became the will of this body and became a vote, every step of the way, he has been supportive of it as a will of council. And I think even the folks that didn't support it, maybe the vote still support this county and still did a really great job of being very supportive of it as it moved through. So that kind of teamwork and coming together makes these projects happen.

» I hope this is a template for how we do our other projects where we set a goal and there's been delays, but we set a goal, we acquired the funds and we didn't raise any taxes to fund it and we got it completed. we're going to have that by this you know within four or five months all these projects will be completed so thank you everybody may i mr chair just quickly mr jones you're exactly right uh councilman i appreciate you recognizing once it became four votes i support it and i want to see it be the best it can be but i'm a dollar and since man i can count to three i just would like to have some numbers as to where we are you know because i've you know just like you've been called about the opening all i've been called about being under budget by some of the own commissioners are or not

» being where they should be. But this is a good report from United, other than the fact that we just don't have any financial understanding as to what's going on. But I feel sure our finance committee will get on that, and our administrator. And I trust, and I know you'll bring it to us. But thank you so much. - Thank you, council members. Thank you, Rick. - Thank you, guys. - Mr. J., hang around for the next presentation. Might be some more work for you to do. - All right, gentlemen, that brings us to item number 8B, public presentation.

» for being here tonight mr ogburn this is a report from the kershaw health services district mr browsles their motion i'd like to make a motion to hear from chairman daryl ogburn regarding the the state of the health services district the good the bad the ugly and uh mostly good i think tonight um can i have a second please second all right any discussion to a vote all in favor of the presentation is unanimous miss hannah mr augurn yes sir thank you mr chairman members of the county council i i am two of those the bad and the ugly i hope there's some good in what i've got to say um but i am honored to be here today to represent the health services district i'm happy to see my friend tj back here with us she's one of nine of us on the health services district And before I get started with my

» comments, I want to congratulate the council for bringing together the talented group that you have. I don't know how it happened. I'm the weakest one around that table when it comes to what we do. I just stand up and referee, and that's not necessary with this group. We worked well. We worked well together. You all have blended a group of nine people that have come together and worked for the good of this community, and I congratulate you because of that. done it. Just be mindful that we are independent. We're appointed by you. We, like you, serve the community, and we appreciate the opportunity to do it. We have probably I hadn't done any numbers, but I would guess that we probably have at least a 95 percent attendance percentage of our meetings.

» We very seldom have a member that's not present. We offer them the opportunity to participate by phone if they're not there Occasionally, we'll have a few, one or two, maybe on the phone, occasionally when some of them are out a bit, down on business and those sorts of things. Our members attend, and they work well together, and they work hard together, so thank you for that. Now, let me get to my remarks. Under community impact and strategic planning, the district granted approximately $650,000 to various community partners in 2025, and we're in the process now of doing our grant process for 2026. Coordinating and facilitating countywide learning collaboratives for district grantees, providing professional development opportunities to those who receive grants from the district.

» In the fall of 2025, Leoville-Kershaw County Coalition gathered to select new priorities of focus. These new priorities of focus of how the district will award grant funding. These new priorities will be how the district will award the grant fundings and the new positions selected are aging population and caregiver health that's me aging population early childhood readiness and graduation rates health literacy mental health and substance use obesity obesity nutrition and physical activity mr chairman i'm going to share a copy of these remarks for you to use and put in the minutes you would like. Yes, sir. Thank you. The district's three-year strategy plan implemented in 2024 focuses on the Beechwood development, indoor recreation, outdoor recreation facilities.

» The district is pleased with the progress of outdoor recreation and thanks to the county council's steadfast commitment to the development of quality outdoor recreation facilities for our community. Rick Jay, to you and your people, tell them how much we appreciate what you all have done. This was a project that we all collaborated with together and when we all came together and shared our differences and shared our support for this it came together and it's something I think this community can be proud of for a long long time to come. We started out being one of the first conversations we had was how we could collaborate when you were on county council back then to make this happen in the outdoor recreation and we paired it with the indoor recreation.

» We made sure we wanted to serve the whole county, and I think that's what we did. Danny serves that rural area up around Mount Pisgah and Bethune, Westville. He knows, but those people up there appreciate what we've done, and they're excited about it, and thank you. The indoor recreation, the district remains committed to developing an indoor recreation facility in West Watery area for community use. At the end of July 2025, ownership of the Townley Lane property was transferred to the Health Services District. Once the transfer is completed, the Health Services District proceeded with necessary surveys and a phase one environmental assessment, preliminary geotechnical exploration, and a preliminary wetlands assessment. The results of all initial site evaluation were favorable.

» Favorable results of the site evaluation allowed the Health District to move forward with selecting a design team and a contractor. Both Both teams of required professionals are now on board. By the end of 2025, seismic design documents were in the hands of the contractor for initial pricing. Initial base bid pricing along with potential alternatives was presented at the Health District meeting at our meeting in February. That was last night. Karish and Beachwood, LPC development. Karish continues to have a strong sense in profitability. Carlisle Senior Living continues to be the management partner for the facility. Short-term rehab continues to thrive and allow residents to get well and go home.

» Under the leadership of Scott Neal and Director of Strategic Alliance Jackie Kirkwood, Karis continues to be a high-quality facility. Marketing efforts for the independent living interest list and pre-sales continue to go well. Assisted living and independent living units are currently in the design phases. These are approximately 100 households on the Beechwood Life Plan Community Internal List. We've had 100 people put down deposits that are interested in living on that property. A management team for the community has been identified, and while we're not yet able to release that name, we can assure you that a group is a local group, South Carolina-based, senior living community, who has a stellar reputation for providing vibrant and active lifestyles in their senior living space.

» We are excited for this expertise and what all they will bring to our project and to Kershaw County. The district is in an extremely good financial position. As mentioned above, the district has chosen to return the financial support of Kershaw County by supporting the community partners through our grant process. My goal has been from the beginning to develop this process and to put the health district in a financial position where that $650,000 could go to $1 million, eventually to $2 million, and Lord knows what else down the road. If this planned life community works out as we think it will and we're confident that it can, we will have a facility that will be throwing some money up for the health district to invest in our community.

» We grow those numbers, give those things out to our health partners across our community, and 15, 20, 30, 40 years from now, we'll be a much better, healthy county because of that. Learning collaboratives, providing quality indoor recreation facilities, partnering with the county and MUSC for outdoor recreation facilities, and the development of a life plan community. I can't tell you how thrilled I am to have MUSC managing our hospital. We went through some very difficult times after we leased our hospital initially years ago. We went through some difficult times. I think I told somebody one time that I had nightmares that somebody was going to knock on my door at 3 a.m.

» in the morning, one of these folks that we had managing our hospital, and hand me a whole handful of keys and say, it's yours, we're leaving, goodbye. When MUSC came along, all of that went away. They love being here, they're good partners to work with, they're spending money here, they're upgrading our facilities, and they've got plans for the future for our community. I met today with Dr. Tuli Holstrom, Sally Harrell and I did, and they're getting prepared to institute an intern program here in Kershaw County. I think the opening date is 2028, and don't ask me to get into much details about that, But the plan is to have family care physicians trained here in Kershaw County.

» It'll start out with a class of six in 28, add another six in 29, and another six, to have a full contingent of 18 physicians, family care physicians, training here in Kershaw County. And that will have a tremendous impact on our community with those people here in this community. and they'll go across our state, hopefully, and serve the rural areas primarily of our community. So we've got great people in place. We've got a great partnership. You all have put together a wonderful group. As I said, I'm the weakest one around the table. I'm just the one dumb enough to sit and referee. But we agree, we don't fuss and we don't quarrel. We work slow sometimes.

» We've gone a lot slower with that facility up at Beechwood than most of us would like to but i think we've it's been wise to do that because we haven't made mistakes and so with that uh mr chairman i'll in my formal remarks and offer myself for any questions thank you mr auburn mr browsley you have the motion chairman auburn thank you for being here thank you for the work that you do i see you on the regular in a restaurant always having a conversation regarding how to better our community i do commend you for that um i know we might rib one another from time to time but i'll tell you you have a heart for your home and your community you believe in the work that you do and i appreciate what you do and i also appreciate the fact that we were able to negotiate um better terms when we when we

» initiated the project um we were talking about just woodward when you walked in the door and when when you came back we talked about the entire county approach um i've tried to forget some of those meetings back in those years but uh they were brutal but indeed this this council was brave enough to face the backlash of the few for the betterment of many and i'm thankful to to all of those and yourself for those days and better days yet ahead thank you thank you russell i appreciate it thank you - Thank you, Mr. Brownsville. Mr. Cato. - Darryl, thank you for coming out tonight. I wanna thank you for leading up this team that you have. There's a lot of good things said about you, and I think they enjoy having you as the chairperson, and y'all do a great job. Thank you for everything you do.

» - Thank you, Danny. Appreciate it. - Thank you, Councilman Cato. Any other comments or questions? Mr. Tucker. - Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman. - Yes, sir, Sammy. - Yes, sir. Make sure you thank all the members. Thank you for the job, well done. You kept making a statement about you were the weakest link up there. I cannot let this go without me saying, no, you're the master link. It takes someone like you, with your leadership, quality, skills, and wisdom, to corral a group of very smart people and guide them and help them and support them in the directions we need to go, and you have done that.

» have done that in a very prosperous way for all the citizens here in kershaw county as as well as the health services district and musc i remember some of those nightmares because if they didn't drop those keys off at your house they were coming to county council's house but so i lived your nightmare thank you i i do want to say um and shout out two special people uh that has been very helpful to my family and that's that's scott and that's dawn i can't begin to tell you the experiences my family has had up at beechwood care swing i've got an aunt now that thinks she needs to take a parade tour to go back through to do her thank yous that didn't want to leave the facility when she was well because of the treatment she received the activities she was afforded um it was just a great experienc

» e and i hear nothing but great things about people trying to go there for their rehab or for their for their families um remaining uh care i say that because that only is only so many beds that you can have and the only thing i ever hear negative is i can't get in because there's no room and that's a great problem to have as you continue to work and build but i just want to say thank you to all of you and what a fantastic job y'all have done thank you sammy i appreciate that thank you mr tucker mr shoemake yeah again just we echo what sammy said i think to mr ogburn just thank you for everything you do for this community represented this community in columbia and have continued to do so through your whole life and i don't think there's a person up here that hasn't at some point in their pol

» itical career sought some sage wisdom from you um on how to navigate these rough political orders i know i have uh and will continue to do so so thank you for everything you do thank you derek i appreciate that thank Thank you, Mr. Shoemake. Any other comments or questions, council members? Jeremy, if I may take it. I do, I do. Mr. Jones has a comment or question. Yeah, I got something to say. He's got something to say. Everybody listen up. Mr. Auburn, I'll tell you one thing about you. You're a heck of a negotiator, I know that. I've seen you in action. You know, we talk about what has happened the last couple of exchanges, but nothing's been mentioned about how it all started.

» How it all started is that I get a phone call one night when I was taking on, Berkshire County Hospital by myself 'cause the nurses hadn't had a raise in five years. They wouldn't, the CEOs had big bonuses at the same time, and I spelled it all out there and how they lost $250,000 worth of medicines because they weren't checking regularly, they were out of date, they'd throw 'em out. You called me up, sir, I didn't mean to point my finger, and you said, "I wanna serve on that board, you need help, "Councilor, but I don't wanna be embarrassed, "I don't wanna be out of it." And I thought to myself, how am I gonna pull this off? 'Cause I was still the lonely vote at that time. But I can't remember exactly what we did, Daryl, but we got you on the board.

» And from that point on, I could sit back and relax. Because I couldn't relax before you were on that board because I was the one who was voicing and coming after and fighting for the changes. But when you came on board, I backed off. I didn't have to worry about a thing. This says a lot about you. And I want to say, I know you and I have gone ahead. We've only gone one time in our lifetime, 40 years, where we didn't speak for a while. But we made up on that because you're a lifelong friend, and I appreciate.

» want you to hear me i'm not saying this i appreciate what you've done you've put many hours into it i have much respect for you i nominated you twice for this seat and i'm glad you got the last one because you could be here when i'm not thank you so much jimmy i'm humbled that you would say that and i appreciate it very much uh when sammy was talking i i remembered that phone call i had since i think i'd seen something or heard something that kind of disturbed me and I had served on the hospital board back in the '90s, and so I picked up the phone and called you and I said, "Jimmy, I don't want to get embarrassed, I just want to make sure I get one vote. If I don't get elected, that's well and good, but I don't want to be skunked. Would you vote for me?" And you said yes.

» So I was fortunate enough to get elected. You all put Kerry Eckford, Tully Holstrom was on there, a guy by the name of Steve Holliday, And we worked hard for our hospital. Those were tough days. They were very difficult days. We weren't even allowed into the meetings at some point in time. I don't think anybody realizes how close we came to having to close our hospital down. But it's alive and it's well and it's thriving, and that's a tribute to those people who worked hard to do it. Thank you. Point of personal preference, Mr. Connell, if I can, Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. I've been in the public arena for 50 years. I was elected to the town council of the big town of Jefferson, South Carolina, in 1976, and I've been in the public arena ever since.

» I don't say this lightly, but I think we are poised in Kershaw County now to do great things. I'm as optimistic as I have been in a long, long time about the future of our county. Yes, we've got a lot of issues, and you've got a lot of tough issues to deal with. no doubt about that a lot of others they have any same problems but we've got this council here today which is diverse a little bit we got uh maybe i would need a female or two around that from now and then but uh but you all are different you come from different places you're elected by single member districts with the exception of the chairman you're here to represent your constituents but you're also here to represent all the count of the members of the county citizens of the county so i encourage you to work hard with each other

» quarrel amongst yourselves but to try not to call it uh without and um be personal about it disagree work hard i say that with experience because i was around you should have seen me a long time ago uh i was a bull in the china shop i trained jimmy i think but um but i was but but i'm saying this to you folks uh serve your constituents serve your county and let's move forward i see a bright future for the city here with vincent gene as mayor and again a good strong council and i see the same for this group so work hard together um let the let the health services district be independent find good people to serve on that board and when those of us who leave put put some other good people who have good heart and who want to do the best for our county mr chairman i'm humbled by your comments an

» d the other comments as well and i say thank you very much on behalf of any other discussion any other comments mr auburn thank you so much i'm just going to mention one or two things yes i know we're over time and i usually get a motion but a motion to extend that but i'm just going to say it was about six plus years ago when we first had that conversation about what was possible yes and this goes to show that we the proverbial we all of us have a vision for kershaw county's long-term success that requires time dedication and multiple groups that volunteer uh to get it executed and we're starting to see some of that gentlemen if we embrace the momentum that kershaw county has right now with great boards like the health services district and the recreation commission we embrace that momentu

» m we don't screw it up we don't get in the way and then we help assist with support or funding where we can i think we really have a bright future ahead of us I served on the hospital board for a period of time there too, post transition that Mr. Jones talked about. And we exchanged private hands, as you know, or private entities, I think four plus times. And every time somebody else came in, it was a new CEO and a new set of policies and procedures that if they weren't confusing, they were different enough to be confusing. Then MUSC came in. And so between your board and y'all service and Dr. Cole, Dr. Colley, Dr. Holmstrom, Matt Littlejohn, we've had stuff like this happening or the Women's Center or now a internship and residency program coming to Kershaw County.

» These are all huge firsts for us. And so I'm very excited about the future and we've got to embrace this momentum, not get in the way, but figure out how we can compliment it. Thank you very much. - I'm here to serve you. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. - Yes, sir. - Darrell, I've never regretted my vote for you. - Thank you, Jerry. - You're welcome. All right, gentlemen, that takes us to item number 9A. Do we have a motion on the minutes? - I'll make a motion we approve the minutes. - Mr. Cato has the motion, is there a second? - Second. - We have a second. Any discussion on the minutes? - I will not, I will be reaccused. - The abstaining was not present last time. So with Mr. Tucker abstaining from the vote, any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll move it to a vote.

» All in favor on the minutes, raise your hand. Ms. Hinn, it's unanimous with Mr. Tucker abstaining. The minutes are approved. We have a series of ordinances. Mr. Administrator, I'm gonna ask you before each one, just if there's any high level stuff we need to hear about, any updates, any changes. Most of these, excuse me, all of these are third readings. Anything on 10A before we take a motion? - No, sir. - All right, we'd seek a motion on third reading. This is related to amendment of the official zoning map. It's 16.68 acres. We've already stated the address and had first and second reading. Is there a motion? - I'll make a motion. - We got a motion on third reading for 10A. We have a second. Mr. Shoemake, you have the motion, any discussion? - No, I mean, this is third reading.

» We've talked about this before, so I think it's self-explanatory. - Thank you, Mr. Shoemake. you have the second anything none any further discussion gentlemen seeing no we'll move it to a vote all in favor on third reading raise your hand miss hannah it's unanimous on 10a and it passes third reading mr uh chairman yes sir i think the family's out in the audience this should be your last meeting god bless uh begin your new life well it doesn't have to be your last meeting you can come back and listen to it we appreciate the smiling faces thank you ladies oh you better better be on her good side thank you very much ladies thank you all right gentlemen that puts us on to 10b this is the third reading regarding an ordinance to amend chapter 24 related to regulation of public boat landings do w

» e have a motion i'll make a motion mr schumacher has a motion is there a second second mr tucker has a second mr schumacher again third reading this kind of shores up some of the do's and don'ts around the boat ramp that was uh to kind of help keep the peace out there. Thank you, Mr. Shumate. Mr. Tucker, anything on the second? No, sir. Ditto. Any other discussion, gentlemen? Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I think this addresses some of Rick Jay's concerns that he brought before us from the Recreation Commission with the people out there doing donuts and messing around. I think this helps with that, but it's still open 24-7, correct? Correct.

» And if I may just mention that this ordinance allows the same group of Ordinances to be applied up at the other boat ramps as well and Duke worked with us on this and they are Extremely appreciative because they can protect their boat ramps Well, I can tell you there's a lot of them that need to be cleaned up and and I know that this will further enhance their ability to do that and If there's any issues that they can handle it through the Sheriff's Department. Thank you. Thank you. Mr Administrator any other discussion gentlemen, if not, let's move it to a vote. This is on 10b all in favor. Raise your hand Ms. Hennett, it's unanimous on 10b. It passes on third reading.

» On 10c, this is a third reading regarding ordinance to prohibit the sale of nitrous oxide and kratom and regulations related thereto. Mr. Brous, do we have a motion? Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to pass this ordinance to prohibit the sale distribution provision of nitrous oxide to miners and prohibit the sale distribution and provision of kratom also known as 70 H to those under 21 years old within Kershaw County South Carolina and to establish retail display and labeling requirements and to provide for enforcement and penalties thank you that's the motion there second I'll suck it got a second any further discussion on third reading I do yes mr. Got just a little bit of Q&A for Mr. DuBose.

» As I've worked my way through this, I've tried to make sure that we're not shoring up its illegitimacy. For the record, could I say that we're putting up guardrails for the citizens of Kershaw County. We're not solidifying this as its legitimacy because it's living in such a gray area right now between state and federal regulations that this ordinance is, in fact, to make sure that children, adults understand what these products are and how they're being sold and to put some realistic guidelines on them. I think that's fair. Okay. With that being fair, I've done some research, especially to the kratom. Kratom is a plant that's derived from Southeast Asia. Is that correct? My understanding. And there is another drug that's for sale that is a derivative of the same plant, 7-OH.

» It's not specifically mentioned in here, but the language does state that anything derived from the plant I'm gonna mispronounce this mit mit mit rang rah Bessie OSA I know I probably botched that you ever biology degree mr. Bose no all right that's the family and genus but this states that kratom derived from the plant containing psychoactive compounds that produce stimulant and opioid like effects has gained popularity in recent years despite health risk I just want to make sure that that language and I think it is is is all encompassing of anything derived from that plant to include the 7-OH, otherwise known as synthetic heroin? - Yes, I believe it is derived from kratom, synthesized from it.

» I'll also further note for the record that there are state provisions dealing with kratom products as well, establishing the age at 21, much of what this ordinance does is address, clearly address labeling requirements, but display requirements as well for those products. Well, I would like to highlight a little bit of information that I found. If you were to compare 7-OH to an opioid morphine, it's 10 to 20 times stronger than morphine. And we all know how strong morphine is and it's unfortunately being sold in gas stations.

» So My plea is is that the state of South Carolina either the Senate or the house takes up this issue as well Typically we deal with things from a top-down approach federal state county Municipal at this stage in the game I don't I don't think there's a whole lot in the state of South Carolina that deals with kratom and 70h I'd like to see a full-on ban for these drugs, especially if the research that I found holds to be true, that the 7-OH is 10 to 20 times as strong as morphine, and people are becoming addicted. People are going to rehab for it. We're in the wild, wild west with these gas station drugs. Mr.

» DuBose, do you think we've covered our bases? I do believe we have covered the bases, and I will also say that the Kratom regulations and the nitrous regulations are qualified to the extent that they're not preempted by state or federal law. To your point, perhaps, at least with nitrous, they're considering regulation of nitrous in a Senate bill right now. Hopefully that is something the state takes up and adds further teeth to. Okay, so we did note that in our ordinance I would like to make an amendment where I've seen two Scribner errors, unless you tell me I'm wrong. Section 2, letter C, it says a minor means any person under the age of 18, and I think it's supposed to be 21 for this ordinance.

» Is that right? So earlier on, the ordinance regulated the sales of both kratom and nitrous to miners. The state set kratom sales at 21. So as structured, minor within this is still defined as under 18 and used that way. When specifically addressing kratom age restrictions in the ordinance, it references 21. So that is the reason for that differentiation. The state had already set the age limit for Kratom products at 21. Okay, so in Section 5.3, it says 18 as well. Is that correct as well? 5C. Section 5 on page 3, line item 3. Under subsection B. Under subsection B, yes. Oh, got it. So that is referencing, yes. That's got nitrous oxide and Kratom products. So that's allowing people 18 years or older to access it, right? That is a disconnect on there.

» So that paragraph should be split out to basically repeat, remove the Kratom references, And then in a new section, you could set forth the Kratom products being restricted to 21 years or older. In other words, double that paragraph and have it differentiate between the Kratom and nitrous. Okay. So they are different then? Correct. Okay. So what's our easiest path forward for tonight? Actually, in thinking about this, I think it could breed in an area of the retail establishment that restricted the person's 18 years of age or older for nitrous oxide and 21 years of age or older for crayon, just within that one subsection of the... Mr. Brownsville, would that be your motion to amend? We would need to make a motion to amend, yes, sir. As stated by the county attorney? Yes.

» page three section five subsection b letter three i'd like to make a motion to amend for it to state in an area of retail establishment restricted two persons 18 years of age or older for nitrous oxide and 21 years of age or older for kratom products products that is that is my amendment that's the motion is there a second second we've got a second any discussion on the brazil amendment to the the brazil motion no discussion i hope that's it all right we'll uh we'll go ahead and vote on the amendment and then get to any further discussion we might have all in favor raise your hand it's unanimous on the amendment miss hannah for the record we're back on the initial motion so regarding uh the initial motion i'd like to thank um danny cato and the alpha center and everyone else who supported i

» t thank you all we found out some pretty ruthless things through this educational process and i'm looking forward to making kershaw county a safer place to live thank you thank you mr brazel mr cato you had the second uh just real quick just to kind of lean on what um mr brazel had to say it was a very educational experience when this come to light as to what our young people what what they were subject to what scared me even as much was what people were getting their hands on that they didn't even know they were getting so i when when this was brought to my attention i i felt that it was very important that we uh addressed this here in in the county and i appreciate russell's help with this and his insight on this and i appreciate the the coalition and alpha center miss mara jones and lean

» ne adams and all of their staff they have really helped educate us and and really helped us with this issue and so i thank everybody that was involved and i thank this council for what they've done and for their support thank you mr kato any other comments mr thomas and first i just have a a quick question and it may have been stated in the previous um readings but for the labeling requirements is that or has the state already put something in place with those labeling requirements or or as a county are we allowed to give a product that's going to be sold in the store requirements that are going to be put where unincorporated so in the city of camden if they don't have this ordinance a different labeling package could be in a gas station within the city limits and outside of the city limits

» in antioch the gas station has a different labeling requirement are we allowed to do that so the county can impose labeling requirements where those labeling requirements have not been imposed by others or if they are repealed by others perhaps if can maintain those so there are some labeling and display requirements within the kratom protection act this ordinance was originally drafted with nitrous oxide as the primary area of focus it's been split so that there's reference to labeling for both products again is to the extent not preempted by the state the state regulations would certainly apply in any instance where they're more restrictive than county regulations okay so so in a sense so now if any gas station in the county has these products in there currently without the labeling that

» is required here how are we going to enforce that so this again the state has some kratom labeling requirements the enforcement of that labeling again would be a census for an investigation of those products to make sure they are labeling compliant with the state labeling requirements but any local display requirements as well is that through the sheriff's department that we that we do that or yeah i believe sheriff or code enforcement could enforce this it has been structured well this one we've got structure for kcso and other law enforcement agencies and code officers some of these violations are penalties not criminal penalties and could be pursued by code okay are we are we gonna is there a plan for us as a county to go and observe all these gas stations after this ordinance has passed

» since my my colleague russell brazel and danny cato spent so much time on it do we have do we have that in the works or correct that that would be a question of administering the ordinance really administration slash sheriff's office question mr administrator so based on my experience in law enforcement i would defer to the sheriff's office because there are um i could see this easily implemented into their tobacco enforcement teams where they go out and attempt to make underage purchases so I see that being rolled up into this quite easily because those compliance checks if you will are all made at these types of with the exception of a vape shop or something like that your gas stations and things but to your point I see this easily being rolled up as another item to be checked as a compli

» ance component during those operations and and they do the state funds those they're actually very successful just like the alcohol compliance alcohol tobacco namely what i'm referring to so i again final answer i see this easily being rolled up into that operation thank you so much for your explanation that answers all my questions i i appreciate you beth mr jones yes sir thank you there's a council uh mr temper i think you're exactly right but you know the way the way i see it working with my experience is just like you that uh we we make the laws someone breaks the laws and complains the the law enforcement will be there whether it's a code enforcement deputy sheriff or sled or whatever i mean they're just going to automatically enforce laws if there's a complaint and most all laws are c

» omplaint driven anyway and uh but i think let me let me just say this mr brazel you have just went above and beyond and i know you spent many hours on this danny cato you know you're a member of the coalition committee you that's a probably a 25 mile drive for you but you make it you you believe in it and uh i want to thank you all for that and derek thank you as well for your expertise in this coming from the fed being a federal prosecutor but i'll tell you something uh i was asked to mention tonight leon prosser who's the chairman of the outside board was not able to make it neither was reverend steve lee neither and marla horton jones is home sick and uh she need to go to work today so she couldn't be here you don't want her here it's contagious but they are all appreciative of what this

» council has done and she told me to make sure each and every one of you knew that thank you thank you mr jones any other comments questions discussion thank you very much mr brazel mr cato and everyone else who put effort into this mr dubose for you and your staff working on drafting amendments and working through the iterations that were needed part of the problem is these products come to market so fast we don't even know what's in them they are getting pumped through the chain of commerce and someone at a much higher level than the kershaw county council is supposed to be making decisions about what's safe or not to enter the products that our children can be exposed to or or adults who don't know what they're buying it used to be at least was i i was in school and i want to date myself

» necessarily but it used to be difficult to get products or any material that would have some of the compounds that are in these types of products that you can just generally purchase in the retail chain of commerce you had to go to a guy's house that guy whoever that was you had to go in some back alley but now it's just in your face unless you regulate it and so i appreciate the work of the council members in addressing this and bringing it up but also caution us that we have to be ready to uh to react unless the federal state government um take some action because the purveyors of these items are ready uh even now as we speak to change chemically some compound just a little bit and make an argument about how well you know there's a different oxygen uh atom attached over here and so it doe

» sn't fit under the legalese of your statute and so we just have to be ready to react and protect as best as we can but i wanted to say thank you um to everyone involved any other comments for discussion seeing them we'll move to a vote on third reading this is 10c all in favor raise your hand it is unanimous and passes on third reading miss hannah for the record that's 10c that takes us to item number 10d i think we have a little bit of explanation on this one um mr administrator yes mr chairman members of council just everything is fine with the exception of the exhibit was left out of this packet it was included in the first and second reading so um with that the uh i'll defer to mr de bose for the clarification on that no correct um table 3-3 which is the permitted use table for differen

» t uses within all zoning districts designated these hemp retail establishments as a conditional use and within the gd district that is the only change to that use chart and again it was included in prior readings just wanted it referenced here and um want to solicit from council just a motion to amend the version that is in the packet in front of you to include that table three three included in prior versions and it would uh substantively comply with the pending ordinance that was already put in place correct okay do you need a motion to amend yes let's get it on the table first uh after the explanation let's get on the table and then we'll seek a motion to amend is there a motion to approve this on third reading i'd like to make a motion to append an ordinance to amend the kershaw county

» south carolina unified code of zoning and land development regulations to add section 3 3 2 9 and amend table 3-3 to establish retail establishment selling hemp-derived or synthetic cannabinoid products as a conditional use in certain zoning districts subject to location separation and operational restrictions that's motion is there a second second got a second from mr kato is there any discussion on this before we take another amendment um seeing none is there a motion to amend to include uh the table 3-3 which has been previously provided in first and second reading and in compliance with the pending ordinance doctrine i would like to make a motion to amend but i would also like to have a minute to discuss because i may want to further the amendment is that but we can take one amendment a

» t a time okay if you get a second let's do one at a time then there's a second you can talk about it uh let's make a motion to amend to add table 3-3 that we've seen in previous readings all right Is there a second? Second. Mr. Thompson has a second. Discussion on the amendment? I'm happy to approve that amendment and then continue on. Any other discussion on table 3-3? Seeing none, we'll move the amendment to a vote. All in favor, raise your hand. It's unanimous and passes that amendment. Ms. Hanna, we're back on the third reading. Are there any other motions to amend? A couple of quick questions for our attorney, Mr. DuBose.

» In section one, subsection A, the sale of hemp-derived and synthetic cannabinoid products, including products containing Delta-8, Delta-9, and other THC isomers or analogs, has increased substantially in convenience stores, gas stations, and similar retail establishments within Kershaw County. As I have further looked into these substances and the different types of compounds, We also have delta-10. We also have THC-A. Is that covered in the and other THC isomers? I believe it does.

» For what it is worth, the scientists and experts looking at this at the state level have a very long list of what is defined at the state level under pending legislation as intoxicating hemp products and discusses these isomers, esters, salts, et cetera, with relation to cannabinoid extracts and does list out a laundry list of isomers.

» Again, that definition in this proposed ordinance does reference those same intoxicating hemp isomers and analogs more generically and i do believe would cover them okay i actually have a copy of that south carolina house amendment um for bill 4758 um this amendment doesn't have a number on it but but it covers all of that but but what you're saying is we don't need to go into those details here we have that covered in a general sense is that correct yes now to mr connell's point will someone argue about one oxygen molecule being moved at some later date they'll have to do that in the court of law is that correct yes correct well that's that's good as long as we have ourselves covered again this is not a condoning these products because there's there's many of them that I would like to see

» removed but at this point we we're doing a good job to regulate them I would like to point out subsection C under section 1 under findings and determinations that federal guidelines currently are at point three percent dry weight basis and that's what we're basing this ordinance on now when those federal guidelines sunset I think it's like a point zero three percent or point zero two five I'm not sure exactly the percentage it's gonna get smaller at that point will we need to update this ordinance or would that be an automatic federal override I believe it would be a federal preemption and override can certainly review that if and when it occurs if there were any doubt or question though the ordinance could certainly be updated if needed to square with with federal regulations and definitio

» ns okay and synthetic cannabinoid products are technically illegal, whereas hemp-derived THC products are legal. We've got both of them in here to cover them if they are being sold in an establishment. That does not legitimize or legalize anything. What it does is it gives us the opportunity to enforce and or remove while working with the Sheriff's Department and or SLED in any investigations that we're in assistance with is that correct correct and for what it's worth again there is a pending House bill under consideration that would prohibit the sale and consumption of consumable hemp products other than beverages beverages would be limited to 5 milligrams 12 ounces again assuming that there's no federal overriding legislation that would impact the state say that to say that this field of

» products may be significantly limited in the very near future at a state level as well this regulation certainly stands in the gap and in the interim good in Kershaw County I remember somebody always saying we punch above our weight and we still are punching above our weight we are leading the way power is where it lies it can lie at the county level it can lie at the state level it can lie at the federal level and today it lies in kershaw county as we lead the way i would like for our state legislators to take note that a serving size can be one ounce two ounces four ounces six ounces or 12 ounces in liquid drinks and i'd like to make sure that they are aware of of the fact that if we're limiting hemp THC drinks to five milligrams of THC per serving that that is per container not per servi

» ng because I saw several this morning in a gas station in Lugolf that had two servings per container for a total of 20 milligrams also know that there are some that are being sold that have 50 milligrams you want to talk about something that'll knock you on your feet. Now the Sheriff's Department doesn't have a way to test. They don't have a way to to find out if someone's high because they drank something that they bought at the gas station. It's unfortunate that someone can also pick up a six-pack and drink it but there are ways to give a breathalyzer test and to find out if someone has been drinking and driving. We don't have those devices for these sorts of situations so we want to keep South Carolina safe.

» We want to keep our our families safe and we want to keep our roadways safe so i'm really proud that we're able to move forward this sort of legislation on a county level um councilman thomason is there anything you would like to change under uh section d subsection one i appreciate it mr brazilis so section two subsection d um what the goal of this is not having these establishments near churches religious facilities schools public parks um i didn't think 500 feet listed in this ordinance was enough um and i asked last meeting for us to look at others and kind of see where it is um talking with the county attorney prior to this i believe that it was drafted as a thousand from 500 to a thousand i would like to increase that to two thousand um so two thousand feet in separation from the line

» items A, B, C, and D listed underneath that ordinance, which is exactly what our sexually orientated businesses are. So it's nothing egregious, but move that from 500 to 2,000 feet. Yes, sir. Could you make that in the form of a motion? I make a motion that we amend section underneath section 2, subsection D, line number 1, no hemp retail establishment shall be located within 500 feet.

» change the 500 feet to 2,000 feet that's the motions are second I'll make a second Thank You councilman we've got a second any further discussion on the Tomlinson amendment no further discussion and we'll vote on the Tomlinson amendment all in favor raise your hand it's unanimous was Hannah on the Tomlinson amendment we're back on third reading it's tough any further discussion comments or questions one more question for our attorney under section H subsection 3 an existing establishment that ceases operation for period of more than 90 days is it possible that i make an amendment to change that to 30 days sir that's a policy call from council periods in which you allow non-conformities to sit dormant again is always a discretionary policy called balancing investment backed expectations of p

» roperty owners versus the need for uh regulatory control and that would be just specific to this it wouldn't affect anything else is that correct yes if this were amended it would be a non-conformity calls that applies only to the specific conditional use again the conditional use ordinance is putting conditions on this specific use all right i would like to include those i would like to make that i would like to make that a amendment i would like to make a motion to change under section h subsection 3 any existing establishment that ceases operation for a period of more than 30 days instead of 90 shall lose its non-conforming status and may not resume operation without obtaining full compliance and conditional conditional use approval under this ordinance you have emotions or second second

» for discussion because i do have a question okay we've got a second it's on the floor mr browser you made the motion all right um i'll be happy to answer any questions and you may direct that question to whomever you need to yes i will direct it to you and um to our legal counsel so um let's say i cease operations because i had a traumatic fire where will this fall in if i only have 30 days to reestablish my business my operations if it's unqualified as drafted right now it's unqualified so what you're saying in layman's terms that i only have 30 days yes it is specific to the hemp correct yeah but nothing else can still happen to someone's business is what i'm saying and you can't okay happy birthday boy someone sent me a text and hit the wrong button mr tucker it's not funny um for those

» reasons i'm a little scared of this one uh councilman brazel well i'll tell you why i'm not scared of it because there's so many tragedies that are that are happening currently because these businesses are selling these these drugs in these products did you know that a 65 year old grandmother went into a state of psychosis because she had one of these THC drinks and she did not know that it was 50 milligrams and that she has been seeking medical attention and her family has now lost her so I'm not so much worried about the the product the business shall continue they can sell any other products that they need to sell they can sell gasoline they can sell soft drinks they can sell all the things they sold just a few years ago and they made plenty of money these are just additional items being

» sold in certain stores targeting certain vulnerable people and I know that we are all very concerned about vulnerable people older people that are vulnerable potentially people who are uneducated or just unknowing of what these products can do to someone and our children so for those reasons i would like to make this amendment have no problem with your thoughts i'm just i think 90 days was appropriate on the first two readings so i'm going to stick to that thank you any other comments or questions council members i got a few questions on on this one for legal say thank you i'm sorry i just want to say thank you to councilman rosa for pulling all this together thank you mr jones um mr dubose a couple questions on the 90-day proposal so having just heard about this i'm trying to run through t

» he hypotheticals whether if there could be unintended consequences i'm not sure but um equal protection are there any issues related to something like that or other folks that have non-conformities that get treated differently would the county be exposing itself to legal liability in any way by treating one particular subset of businesses or product sellers a particular way i don't believe so in that they're not necessarily similarly situated entities and what they are selling and for the effects or impacts of what they are selling again i don't know that there's any presumptively valid or invalid period for a cessation of operation calls in a non-conformity what do we have it as generally like you have say it's a fireworks stand that sells fireworks um and it's in a non-conforming area or

» considered non-conforming use presently if they stop that use for how long when do they use their non-conforming status or grandfather status i can't recall off the top of my head from the zldr i believe it is a much longer period than 30 days yeah yeah something i thought was almost a year this one i'm gonna have to be able to research a little bit more to make sure there's no unintended consequences i'm glad to look at it later and see um but that's a 300 or 200 at least difference in time period 400 increase in distance though wasn't it yeah but distance and time period's a little bit different because we already have a precedent i think for are there any other precedents in kershaw county might be the better question for 30-day cessations i'm not aware of any conditional or special exce

» ption use in the zodr that has a like a 30-day shot clock yeah i'm just trying to think because i haven't been researched yet that we can lead the way being innovative but we do have the precedent on sexually oriented businesses and the the linear footage stated previously on the amendment well let's just take the vote on the amendment then we'll move forward with or without it well we'll just see if anybody else has any comments or questions or discussion anything else from council members okay we're on the amendment for um adjustment from 90 days to 30 days all in favor of the amendment raise your hand that is councilman brazel cato and jones in favor all opposed that is councilman shoemake councilman tucker kyle and councilman thomason so the amendment fails now we're back on third readi

» ng any other amendments on third reading for 10d That's all I had. I appreciate everybody's support on its entirety, and I know your heart was in the right place when you didn't support the amendment, knowing that maybe it could hurt us in the long run. Nobody who voted against that was supporting these THC products, I don't think. I don't think that was the case at all. Any other comments or questions? Any other discussion? Administrator, legal counsel, anything we missed before we take a final vote? All right, on third reading, 10D, all in favor raise your hand. And this is as amended. It is unanimous and passes as amended, Ms. Hanna, for the record. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Councilmember Briefings, Mr. Cato.

» I'm going to be very brief, but I do want to just kind of add on a little bit to what we discussed with the REC. I did get a chance to go by these recreational fields the other day, and they look really nice. I'm very proud of the work that's being done. And to tell you how much it's already changed, I spoke with the mayor in Bethune, and they've already got 25 kids signed up in Bethune to play baseball. That is a dramatic increase from last year, and she wanted me to tell tonight at the meeting that they're having a special sign-up tomorrow.

» You can do it at town hall, or you can go on the town Facebook page, and there may even be a little incentive for the people if they wanted to sign up up there so i encourage you to get your kids out get them involved in this recreation unless you use these fields and keep them up and be proud of them thank y'all thank you mr cato mr tomlinson yeah thank you mr chairman um and and there were i believe i know that mr j said two bethune basketball teams but there were i know there were three a 10u girls team because they beat my daughter's team uh they were really good um one of the best 10 year old Girl basketball players I've ever seen she hit three three-pointers in the game against us So really really good and they might win the championship.

» They had a 10 you boys team Yeah, they're there the championships will be coming up and then the county championship will be coming up My son's team nor my daughter's team are in the championships this year But but yeah, there'll be a county championship coming up But, yeah, Bethune, I think the presence of youth athletics is really growing in the county, and that's awesome to see. It really is, and it's fun being out there coaching, having the opportunity, looking forward to baseball and softball season. But thanks, staff, for all of your hard work. Appreciate Ms. Hannah, as always, that she has to sit up here and listen to us. Go on and on, especially Mr. Brazel. I believe he talked for about 45 minutes today.

» Buddy, if somebody wants to put a shot clock on you tonight, I'll be willing to bet something against you beating me. there you go but happy birthday mr jones mr thompson thank you so much thank you mr jones thank you mr chairman members of the county council i have nothing tonight uh i just want to say thank you that was very generous and kind of y'all and uh it goes back to what councilman shoemake said i may argue not argue but have strong debate and we may not agree but once four votes are in that's it but i want to see it become just as the river park the flood zone i wanted to see that become the best it could be and i feel the same about woodward even though i didn't support these in the beginning but you have to guys we have to if we don't then it becomes personal and it's not perso

» nal it's just philosophies of thinking or different ways of thinking but but i thank you all so much for everything and uh appreciate it see you next week thank you mr jones mr shoemake yeah just three uh well happy birthday jimmy three quick things um you know we've been talking a lot about kids today with between the rec and the some of these ordinances and i just appreciate this council doing a lot for the children in our community i remember the days that i coached rec ball i was woefully unqualified um to coach but i coached my son's team and how it was awful we i had a perfect record with my daughter's team we won none of our games um but i went out there and did it because my kids were interested in it and the parents weren't standing up and we've got such a better volunteer base now

» and so appreciate that and then of course this ordinance uh you know it we are doing it for the young people in this county and councilman brazel and councilman connell or chairman canal are helping me with something that we'll be talking about in a couple of months that also deals with some kids in our community and i just i thank everyone in this council for the hard work that they're doing because i mean at the end of the day we're all just going to be memories you know in fairly short order and it's the people behind us that are going to take all this over so appreciate you guys for that i want to thank the sheriff's department for arresting the infamous screw bandit of elgin um he uh sheriff bowen had a press conference and i know councilman jones been really involved in that as well a

» nd so the that gentleman is now in custody uh it's a pretty interesting press conference and it really means it sounds silly on the surface but it affected a ton of people i mean a lot of people had been impacted by this in fact the latest number is the damage that he caused was over ten thousand dollars which makes it a 10-year felony that he's facing um so i mean it was a serious crime um and uh thank you for coming mr hodges uh you know i'm you need to uh you know please come to many more when we get into budget season is where the real fireworks fly but we you got a pretty mundane meeting tonight uh but thank you for coming the boy scouts are a great organization i i never made it into the i never made it past being a cub scout but um i wasn't good enough but um no whatever the little w

» olf one was yeah that's as high as i got so yeah maybe see that's why i'm awful that's why i was awful boy scout uh but no thank you for coming it's a great organization and uh i assume you're probably working your way into eagle scout is that right yeah that's excellent i mean that you know that's something i can tell you somebody that's done interviews at law firms and you know that that eagle scout thing carries for a lifetime it's a big big deal it matters when you're in your 30s and 40s and 50s so thanks for coming out tonight that's all i have we're proud of you thank you mr shumate mr tucker yes uh thank you mr chairman um mr hodges i want to tell you thank you for staying not just showing up but thank you for staying it's this can get where um a lot of stuff may not be where you qui

» te understand and we get up here talking and gabbing and you'd be like i can really be home doing my homework so thank you for staying and um look forward to seeing you as many times as you want to come back and visit and best of luck on on your ego scout and what a good dad he has said out there the entire time with you absolutely um so a couple of quick things uh let's start with the cog i'm not going to put this out just yet on any numbers but i think that on the safe streets uh this county is going to be awarded some money danny may go over this in more details if not tonight in the near future and being able to do some good public safety things between the corridor of highway one and white pond road in the near future to make these roads a little safer to travel for our citizens so i'm

» looking forward to that and put some sidewalks in in some strategic locations where they're needed um and uh we're trying to um get our head around black river road so we can eventually get that road uh paved and widened we've had a very very good discussion with uh scdot and then the cog i think the way that they're doing business in in the federal government now is going to cause us to rethink how we do things when it comes down to our widening of roads resurfacing new construction and things of that nature and i'll be happy to bring you more that committee is actually going to meet thursday at 2 to make some tough decisions and so i'll bring that back up to your next meeting but it should not and i hopefully will not allow it to happen to affect the projects that we have in kershaw count

» y with that being said i want to encourage everyone who can make it thursday you know we have a workshop schedule and the workshop is scheduled from three to five o'clock on thursday so if you can tune your schedules into that i know there's a couple of you that's got commitments of work already that you can't get out of but please try to attend these workshops that we voted on we greatly appreciate it and why i'm saying that take one pass it down um i'm passing you out a sheet it's going to be your homework sheet for friday we have our council retreat here i mean i'm at the uh revolutionary park visitor center um at nine o'clock please be on time and please be prepared to participate i am and staff is asking you uh to list your um things you would like to see accomplished or started sports

» projects activities people etc onto the sheet please bring this sheet with you you will need it on friday to do the exercise that we're going to be asked to do but come with an open heart and an open mind so we can really really engage ourselves in this process and so staff can really really have a map moving forward on what council thinks and where we want to go they cannot drive to our destinations if we don't tell them where they're going that concludes my report mr chair thank you very much mr tucker mr brazel chairman thank you sir thank you thank you thank you um catching up with current events and trying not to miss these important dates um everybody will see i i had some handouts because these were some things that that came to me um after the agenda was set um does everyone see the

» invitation for southern custom doors if i have that so actually i need to borrow yours because i was one short sammy and i can share yes sir so back on father's day there was a uh i think it was on father's day the southern custom doors in lugo had a had a terrible fire in which um lugo fire kershaw county fire i mean i think camden fire i think every fire department in the county showed up and you can see from the pictures if you just kind of flip through it these these attachments yeah they they they just about lost the building so they've rebuilt and in their back um you know kind of your point earlier mr tucker it takes some time to rebuild a business it's just some that i'd rather have and some that i'd rather not have so um it's a wonderful family business that that manufactures custo

» m entryways for for homes and interior doors and and hardware they've they've got to save the date for friday February the 27th from 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. and they want to have a barbecue and just and wanted to invite us and other members of EMS and fire that were that were part of saving their business to come for that barbecue and we were talking about it and I said you know I think I can highlight this for you so WIS if y'all are here if y'all want to highlight that for our friends that will be wonderful so i know i know uh bill and harriet barrett would would certainly appreciate that um secondly and i think lastly you'll see a uh a picture a very cool picture it's the battle of roogly's mill and if you go to your google maps that mill is in kershaw county now it it wasn't the Battle of Hob

» kirk Hill. It wasn't the Battle of Camden in which the Continental Army lost both those battles, but it was a small battle or a large squirmish. I'm not sure. I think it was William Washington led the way for the Continental Army, and there were British troops held up in this home on the hill, as you can see depicted in the picture, and they forced them to surrender using a fake cannon.

» Now if you'll look at in this if you'll look in this picture that's a pine tree so through the the I guess uh their their their poker kind of played poker with these guys they didn't have a cannon they were low on ammunition and they surrounded them and they said hey come out with your hands up we got you surrounded we're about to start bombarding it was a it was about 100 British soldiers held up and and they all surrendered.

» So it's a pretty neat story and with the 250th anniversary of america upon us i wanted to to present this to this body and there's an artist this has not yet been painted this is a digital image but i would like to find out how we could fundraise and i've already got some great ideas to purchase to have to have kershaw county have this picture if agreeable painted and do a 30 by 40 oil painting the gentleman uh mr watson's from charleston and he's very familiar with the battleground trust and works with them and um i think the gentleman that runs the battleground trust is here in camden south carolina so it would be really neat to have this for our celebration of 250 years of being america and in a part of american history that happened right here in kershaw county and we could display it h

» ere in the government center and then we could find it a permanent home in a county building to be displayed for years hopefully many many many years to come so i'll put that on the agenda as as we move into budget but i just want everybody to see how i hope you think it's it's cool as as i do so um there's that everybody have a wonderful night thank you mr brazel thank you council members a few things i want to mention first i want to congratulate the stover middle school wrestling team they are state champions again i congratulate the wrestlers the student athletes the parents and the coaches from personal experience i can say wrestling is an unbelievably difficult sport it's so hard you have to sacrifice so much and some would say it's the world's greatest and oldest sport i've got some

» daughters playing volleyball and basketball that disagree with me heartily but it's a very challenging sport and you have to put in a lot of work to be exceptional at it and that's what we want for the youth in kershaw county we don't want you to be average work hard try to be better every day and we might have a rare occurrence here where the The middle school team has won state in wrestling, and tomorrow night, I need to let the public know that February 11th, 2026 at 7:30 p.m., Lugolf Elgin High School will be competing for the state championship again. Last year, we lost barely to Fort Mill High School.

» We're gonna see them again tomorrow night, and I'm hoping and praying that we've got the right matchup, so if you pray for the Lugolf Elgin High School demons as well to be free from injury, healthy, and able to compete tomorrow night, that'd be outstanding. It's a great group. Coach Monroe, all the student athletes, and all the parents have had an exceptional season. They've only had two losses, and both of those have come to Fort Mill in the dual meet setting, and so they get a chance to avenge those losses tomorrow night. Mr. Chairman, where's that match at? At White Knoll High School, 7.30 p.m. And that concludes my report. Mr. Administrator. Yes, sir. I just have a couple things. Update on Pecan Orchard. Utility providers were out there last week.

» So there's probably a large group of people out there some of those residents that probably saw a large Gathering but it was to discuss the relocation of utilities looking at starting the next steps of That project out there a DS or will review is still reviewing our submission for the project for the lane Disturbance and things of that nature. So we expect their approval in the next few weeks Moving on, I just wanted to kind of give a shout-out to something that's just been a really neat process to watch. We have our moratorium in place on 22nd, and it does run through April 3rd, 2026. But in that time, we're expected to solve a problem. So Mr. Connell formed an ad hoc smart growth committee for the rewrite committee.

» It's seven members, but what they've been able to do is pretty impressive. Just with what I have seen over my time in administration as the assistant, the deputy, and now the administrator, with some of these pinch points we've had in planning and zoning, I just really think this is a neat process. I see them quietly meeting with Councilman Shumate at the helm, and they're running things, and I don't disturb them, but I'm just looking at some of the things they've been able to do. They've worked on amending the final plat approval procedure, amending the section for improvement guarantees. And this may sound like Greek to others, but it really goes to bolster the quality of development and what we will see with amenities.

» So growth is something we can't stop, but we can hear the term quality growth and smart growth, and this is exactly what this is doing. It's hard to have a committee check all the boxes, but I really think they do. The land development submittal requirement approval process is being improved. Amending sections for sidewalks and paths, a walkable Kershaw County is important as we consider health and wellness in Kershaw County. We're talking about ballparks and recreation, but it's nice when you can walk to these facilities. We have a safer grant that I'll be giving you all an update on next meeting that will help us do a lot of that.

» And then now they're starting to work on the permit allocation system, architectural and design standards, open space, green space, another thing I think we lack a little bit with some of our develop developments um road width driveway and parking requirements and front setbacks and that means just how far your front of your home needs to set back off the road so mr shoemake y'all have done an amazing job if you get half of this codified this just helps operations in such a tremendous way so please thank all of your members for what they're doing um i can't thank them enough danny can i ask a question yes sir how does that the smart growth ad hoc committee work with the planning commission how do they coincide yeah yeah it's probably because so the planning commission we have two members of

» the planning commission on smart growth the ordinance that we passed i think unanimously the ordinance that we passed i voted for it yeah setting up the smart growth committee then it was unanimous um the ordinance we passed setting up the smart growth committee has the smart growth committee basically they are the body that makes the recommendations to council council will vote on first reading of those ordinances then the planning commission will advise us whether they concur with those so that'll be the process and the reason we set it up before it comes to us no they will not we will so they will see it so and we change that ordinance so that they don't have to see something first they have to see it before we do third reading and we can do that not superseding state law correct and we'

» ve already enabled that law yeah so we'll we'll do first reading of those then they'll see it come back to us with their recommendation if they have any changes and the reason we did that is a couple couple reasons one we've got this committee now that has policy makers and policy enforcers on it as you know planning commission has to enforce our policies they don't set policy but now this smart growth committee has two members of council councilman thomason who's been carrying tons of water two planning commission members mr robert horton and mr jonathan proctor and community members so we've got both we've got all those voices at the table then it'll come to us then go to the planning commission so the planning commission has uh we've already passed on it as a policy matter and then they

» can recommend it based on what they see then it'll come back to us for second and third reading and i will have sometime before april 3rd uh ish i will have an update for the the body to sort of walk through where everything is on smart growth yep thank Thank you, Mr. Shoemake. Mr. Templer, anything else? Just one more thing to Mr. Jones. I'm no Tina Turner calling you personally to tell you you're simply the best, but happy birthday. Thank you, Mr. Templer, and thank you, Mr. Tomlinson and Mr. Shoemake, for leading that effort with smart growth. Mr. Turner, anything to share, nonprivileged? All right, gentlemen, that brings us to the executive session. We do have five items listed. One of them, item A, has really become moot. We can discuss it briefly, but we have five items listed.

» And so I'll be seeking a motion to enter executive session regarding 14A through E, all related to SC Code 30-4-70 and relevant sections for attorney-client privilege information regarding threatened or pending potential claims and other matters, and seeking legal advice related thereto or contractual matters. Do we have a motion? I'll make a motion. We enter executive session. Second. We have a second. Any discussion on executive session? Seeing none, we'll move it to a vote. All in favor of any executive session? It is unanimous. Those who are present and voting with Mr. Brazel absent at the moment. And for the public's benefit, Mr. DeVos, do we anticipate any votes? No, sir. No votes anticipated. We're in an executive session. Test, test. Okay. We got four.

» Is there a motion to exit executive session? So moved. All right. Got a second. No discussion. All in favor of any executive session? Raise your hand. Ms. Hanna, with the four who are present and voting, Tucker, Connell, Cato, and Tomlinson, we've exited executive session seek a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn mr chairman is there a second we got a second all in favor of adjourning raise your hand that's jones tucker connell kato you gotta raise your hand any and tomlinson in favor